Carl Størmer takes examples from life, work, and jazz music to emphasize the importance of conversation and interaction in everything that we do as humans. A song offers structure to limit the options in which a group of musicians interact. And, you measure musicians on the quality of their interaction within a group. In this moving and emotional #BIF9 story, Størmer teaches us that in order to progress in life, you have to be open to other people's ideas and be willing to go in directions you may not expect. Because, control is for beginners and all you have is influence.